Can you join Darkwraith without Lordvessel?
Yes, you can join the Darkwraith Covenant without placing the Lordvessel on the Firelink Altar, which is useful if you still want access to Frampt’s ability to devour items and to keep him from getting angry if you still wanted to side with him. To do this, you need to meet up with Kaathe in the Abyss and then choose to join the Darkwraith Covenant without placing the Lordvessel, allowing you to maintain your relationship with Frampt while also gaining the benefits of being a Darkwraith.
Understanding the Darkwraith Covenant
To join the Darkwraith Covenant without the Lordvessel, you must first understand the roles of Kaathe and Frampt in the Dark Souls universe and how they interact with the Lordvessel and the Firelink Altar.
Frequently Asked Questions
1. Can you still join Darkwraiths after placing Lordvessel?
You cannot join the Dark Wraiths if you have already placed the Lordvessel via Frampt, as Kaathe would not appear after the Four Kings fight, making it impossible to join the Darkwraith Covenant.
2. How to join Darkwraith Covenant without Lordvessel?
You can join the Darkwraith Covenant without the Lordvessel by answering yes to Kaathe, letting him bring you to the Firelink Altar, but then not putting down the Lordvessel and instead warping out with a Homeward Bone.
3. Can you join Darkwraith if you talk to Frampt?
Yes, you can talk to Frampt, have him transport you to the Firelink Altar, then use a Homeward Bone to leave, and later, if you talk to Frampt again, he will allow you to feed him again, and as long as you have not placed the Lord Vessel, you will still be able to join the Darkwraiths.
4. Is Kaathe better than Frampt?
Kaathe is considered better than Frampt 99% of the time, as Frampt is only really useful before you get the Lordvessel, whereas Kaathe offers more significant benefits in the long run.
5. What happens if you talk to Frampt after talking to Kaathe?
If you talk to Frampt after talking to Kaathe, Frampt will call you a “foolish soul” and will be locked out if you placed the Lordvessel with Kaathe.
6. What is Darkwraith weakness?
The weaknesses of Darkwraiths include Fire attacks, such as Pyromancies, Lightning attacks, or weapons imbued with Lightning damage, as well as Soul Drain and Heavy Kick which can be easily countered at close range with a shield.
7. How early can you join the Darkwraith Covenant?
Technically, you can join the Darkwraiths as soon as you exit the Asylum and arrive at Lordran, as long as you talk to Kaathe more than once.
8. What do you get from the Darkwraith covenant?
When you join the Darkwraith Covenant, you receive a shield/weapon called the Dark Hand, which can be used to steal humanity from other players and certain NPCs, allowing you to increase your covenant level by offering this humanity to Kaathe.
9. Is Kaathe and Frampt the same?
No, Kaathe and Frampt are not the same; Frampt is a false identity created by Kaathe, with the goal of ensuring that one day, humanity would produce a Dark Lord who would lead the world into its next age.
10. Can you join every covenant ds1?
You can only join one Covenant at a time in Dark Souls, and joining another will overwrite the current Covenant you are a member of, as there are many different Covenants with various effects on your game experience.
11. How do you unlock Frampt ds1?
To unlock Frampt, you need to ring the second bell and own the Cat Covenant Ring, obtained by joining the Forest Hunter covenant, then feed the ring to Kingseeker Frampt and quit the game and re-load.
12. What happens if you side with Kaathe?
If you side with Kaathe, Frampt and Gwyndolin are just using you to keep the flame going, while Kaathe lets you live, but following him will allow the Abyss to spread and eventually corrupt everything.
13. Do Darkwraiths Respawn ds1?
Yes, Ghosts and Darkwraiths are two separate things and both respawn like normal enemies when you use a bonfire.
14. Can you do DLC before SIF?
You can’t access the DLC before you kill Sif and join the Darkwraith Covenant on the same playthrough, as you need to place the Lord Vessel to access the DLC, but doing this causes Kaathe to be locked out if you placed it via Firelink/Frampt.
15. Is Kaathe a villain?
Yes, Kaathe is considered a villain as he has been plotting to unleash Manus and the power of the Abyss in Anor Londo, and he and his Darkwraiths are responsible for the bad things that happened in New Londo.